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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2018, 05:19:44 PM »

So you mean there is a #1 team in this season just like all the other seasons? How bizarre

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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2018, 05:31:49 PM »

cud fingir spighitti minstirs 0 effirt if am apil 2 b spidirmin full mitch n my whole team is presint n i only play who i want @ pisition i want w/o hafink 2 insirt efery1
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2018, 05:43:57 PM »

captains value different things in the draft, even if you make LD pick himself first round im pretty confident he is likely to draft a more solid team than some other captains you could choose.

going back and looking at the draft after top 3, top 6, top 10 stages (just random breakpoints) I feel like LD "won" every one if you compare all the teams at that point. Thrill/leafy/jagr is a really strong top 3, tjian/seven year/justlo has two defenders and a willing goalie with more experience than a lot of the other available picks. To top 10 are good filler when they show or afk picks unlikely to show (some teams arguably took negatives here).

its tough when some teams get shafted by taking a risk on a player who ends up not showing. Linix might be 5 games too late for TTR. If Stryke was playing reliable minutes Yung Money's offense would be a lot deadlier, etc.

guess im just saying i dont think LD's team is good just because he didn't have to pick himself, he doesn't even play nearly the whole game as it is
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2018, 05:46:04 PM »

That is not even close to the best regular season record of a team in HZ.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2018, 05:46:35 PM »

I'm not sure what your point or even your issue is Jalrix, there is a team or two at the top of the table that is fairly dominant over the others in every season. That's the nature of competition. Whether we do draft or traditional, whether we're playing hockey or soccer, you can't avoid that there are going to be teams that perform better and teams that perform worse. Last season Creasers and Goat Milk were pretty much just as dominant over the other teams as FSM is this season.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2018, 05:57:41 PM »

I'm not sure what your point or even your issue is Jalrix, there is a team or two at the top of the table that is fairly dominant over the others in every season. That's the nature of competition. Whether we do draft or traditional, whether we're playing hockey or soccer, you can't avoid that there are going to be teams that perform better and teams that perform worse. Last season Creasers and Goat Milk were pretty much just as dominant over the other teams as FSM is this season.

How are you even using last season as a comparison, like really?

How can you be so dense that you don't realize that having the #1 pick as a captain is not an advantage. Basically one team gets two first round picks. This isn't rocket science?
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2018, 05:58:57 PM »

I think everyone's problem is that is the same team and same players every draft. Lawn is capt. Nobody is gonna pick leafy cause most people don't like him. I don't mind him anymore but most don't. Nobody likes thrill so you 2 are auto picked every draft season by lawn.

The one season zeppelin and I picked you, lawn picked d money, we had to listen every week almost everyday we logged on how lawn wanted to make a trade with us. You were being his spokesman pretty much about how you wanted us to trade you for d money. After 4 weeks we got tired of "Hey lawn wants to talk to you guys"  We asked if you wanted to be traded and you said "yea who doesn't wanna play with friends you guys should know. "So we sent gonna hold you hostage so we traded you.

The whole reason we started draft was because people got tired of bsk winning and we only won 2 cups in a row. We even best your exact team of ld leafy thrill and friends for one of those Blackies. Low and behold every draft season goes by and you guys are always together. What's the point of draft?

I personally don't care because I like playing good teams. ((As long as my team is good, I hate playing on shit teams.))
 But I know this is the perception most of the league has. I remember you started your own team last season but I don't really remember much after that besides being on team terrible, also leafy joining midway and actually being a team guy so was cool with leafy. 

You can't be so naive to have the same core team every draft league and be the top draft league team every season and say "Oh there is always a top team, it just so happens to always be us in draft league. Everyone else has parody because everyone else is forced to play with each other."  I'm playing on team rage/cocain
2 people that hated me most of my hz life, especially rage. We've made it work and we are barely fighting for a playoff spot lol
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2018, 06:15:26 PM »

Draft wasn't created for "parity".

Draft was implemented because x amount of players each season were disappearing/ not registering in time which created a observable downward trajectory in the zone population.

A draft stops this by recycling rosters. It really isn't very complicated.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2018, 06:37:43 PM »

Draft wasn't created for "parity".

Draft was implemented because x amount of players each season were disappearing/ not registering in time which created a observable downward trajectory in the zone population.

A draft stops this by recycling rosters. It really isn't very complicated.

Thats like saying since Viagra was created for heart disease that you aren't allowed to leverage it's use of making your dick rock haard
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2018, 06:39:21 PM »

The whole reason we started draft was because people got tired of bsk winning and we only won 2 cups in a row. We even best your exact team of ld leafy thrill and friends for one of those Blackies. Low and behold every draft season goes by and you guys are always together. What's the point of draft?
That's wrong; that reason was only a small part of the rationale.

Draft wasn't created for "parity".

Draft was implemented because x amount of players each season were disappearing/ not registering in time which created a observable downward trajectory in the zone population.

A draft stops this by recycling rosters. It really isn't very complicated.
This is more or less right. 

((As long as my team is good, I hate playing on shit teams.))
Quoted for sorta irony.
Plenty of people have had the same sentiment, but they have been on shit teams, and they aren't here anymore.

So draft league fixed a few problems that make it possible for more people to get more fun out of the league:
1. Fewer shit teams.
2. Smaller gap between the top teams and everybody else.
3. More opportunity for more people to get more minutes (at the cost of those already getting plenty).
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2018, 06:41:15 PM »

Yes because pep let who got drafted like Linux who showed to his first game,  Or zep who has barely played any or a bucky who doesn't wanna play unless it's with friends which is completely understandable, or an about who refuses to play because thrill is LC. They sure are all active and playing because they got drafted and aren't fucking over the teams that drafted them by not playing. ((Except zeps team cause he socks obviously and cnm is soo good. ))  :p Oh and superman man he is back.  ((He showed up to save  a team and only to save a team, which traded him to us?  Idk how we got him.  He played a game and didn't return.)) Man everyone loves draft. No draft was created so teams that had  *Insert bench player here* could actually play on equal terms or at all with other players. So sure, in essence draft was created to keep the bad players from quitting the zone because they got tired of losing to the bsks, crs, lawn dwarf teams.  Now there isn't much of a population of great players because instead of bad players quitting, draft caused good players to quit. So traditional has 1 or 2 good teams too.


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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2018, 06:47:49 PM »

once again we're getting off track here, can someone keep me posted tonight on what the new playoff picture is going to look like at midnight when tonights games are done? k thx
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2018, 06:49:32 PM »

I think everyone's problem is that is the same team and same players every draft. Lawn is capt. Nobody is gonna pick leafy cause most people don't like him. I don't mind him anymore but most don't. Nobody likes thrill so you 2 are auto picked every draft season by lawn.

The one season zeppelin and I picked you, lawn picked d money, we had to listen every week almost everyday we logged on how lawn wanted to make a trade with us. You were being his spokesman pretty much about how you wanted us to trade you for d money. After 4 weeks we got tired of "Hey lawn wants to talk to you guys"  We asked if you wanted to be traded and you said "yea who doesn't wanna play with friends you guys should know. "So we sent gonna hold you hostage so we traded you.

The whole reason we started draft was because people got tired of bsk winning and we only won 2 cups in a row. We even best your exact team of ld leafy thrill and friends for one of those Blackies. Low and behold every draft season goes by and you guys are always together. What's the point of draft?

I personally don't care because I like playing good teams. ((As long as my team is good, I hate playing on shit teams.))
 But I know this is the perception most of the league has. I remember you started your own team last season but I don't really remember much after that besides being on team terrible, also leafy joining midway and actually being a team guy so was cool with leafy. 

You can't be so naive to have the same core team every draft league and be the top draft league team every season and say "Oh there is always a top team, it just so happens to always be us in draft league. Everyone else has parody because everyone else is forced to play with each other."  I'm playing on team rage/cocain
2 people that hated me most of my hz life, especially rage. We've made it work and we are barely fighting for a playoff spot lol

I was not on this team you speak of. I have only played on a team with Leafy two other times, the last draft season that we won, and the first draft season that Salty Puckers won. Those are the only other teams Lawn/Leafy and I have played together. So if you have a perception that we have been playing together for 10 years that is just incorrect.

If a draft captain makes sub-optimal picks to play with people he likes better then that is a problem with him not with the other team or the format itself.

Also the only thing I remember saying to you the season you drafted me was that Lawn said he sent you a bunch of messages and never got a response so I asked if you were purposely ignoring him. I didn't even think I was being traded that season, you guys offered him a deal that he rejected and the topic was completely dropped then weeks later zeppelin asked if I was okay being traded for D money and I said yes.

and I think you are grossly over estimating peoples perception of BSK, but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2018, 06:52:39 PM »

Sorry I thought you were on this team

https://rshl.org/ci/index.php?c=teamview&T=1070

You can see the core is very simular and honest mistake my bad!
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2018, 07:09:53 PM »

Goldeye doesn't agree with me so either I'm completely right or wrong.

I can't even figure out what means.  You were partially right, but you said "whole reason" which was decidedly wrong.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2018, 07:10:51 PM »

Member when african panda forced his way off his draft team.

Member when we had to have 2 captains because if Zeppelin and African Panda weren't catered to they were out.  Member when that wasn't enough.

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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2018, 07:11:45 PM »

i think everybody is making a fairly complex situation way to black and white.

i don't think it's fair to say everybody plays or quits because of what the draft is or isn't.  people move on with their lives, play other games, maybe randomly come back.

i don't think it's fair to take 3-4 peoples opinions and say this is how everybody feels about a certain situation.  that doesn't mean you are right or wrong about your opinion.  clearly it doesn't matter what happens someone is going to be pissed off or upset.  keep in mind draft won the vote.  i think most of you would agree that people who are upset tend to be more vocal than those who support something.



i can only speak for my team and my situation, i will certainly say there are people on my team in a draft format that would never see the minutes they are if it was traditional.  that's no offense to them that is just the format and how things would probably play out. 

the one thing i liked about the draft was that it was kind of an unwritten rule that you would play your members who showed up if it was draft.  i believe when CNM was LC he said this in a post of some kind?  it was disheartening to see on some occasions that wasn't true this season.  and honestly if we're not going to police that kind of behavior then i think we're defeating the purpose of the draft which is to be inclusive of all people.

a couple of things though, i will be the first to admit i never should have had a top 3 pick, you can even argue a first round pick.  i was slotted in my position by the other captains.  also, anybody could step up to be a captain...like any job in hockey zone it's thankless...i don't blame any experienced, skilled vet players for not wanting the job.  every time i captain when i'm done i feel this way. 

i just feel like this kind of dialogue is really unproductive.  i think we all want the best possible hockey zone experience, maybe we can start working towards that.   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2018, 07:17:55 PM »

People are losing their minds over FSM doing well when you should all be yelling at the captains who opted to pick 6-7-8, and then coc and I took 1-2, followed by capts selecting to pick 4-5, leaving the 3rd overall pick to LD, the guy who should easily have picked at the end of the round.

But you can't force captains who had priority to select higher.

I think draft has done a great job of getting people playing with others and growing our love for one another. The parity is a bonus to all of the additional friendships we are making and I think it proved true last traditional season when there was still a decent amount of parity.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2018, 07:37:21 PM »

i think everybody is making a fairly complex situation way to black and white.

i don't think it's fair to say everybody plays or quits because of what the draft is or isn't.  people move on with their lives, play other games, maybe randomly come back.

i don't think it's fair to take 3-4 peoples opinions and say this is how everybody feels about a certain situation.  that doesn't mean you are right or wrong about your opinion.  clearly it doesn't matter what happens someone is going to be pissed off or upset.  keep in mind draft won the vote.  i think most of you would agree that people who are upset tend to be more vocal than those who support something.



i can only speak for my team and my situation, i will certainly say there are people on my team in a draft format that would never see the minutes they are if it was traditional.  that's no offense to them that is just the format and how things would probably play out. 

the one thing i liked about the draft was that it was kind of an unwritten rule that you would play your members who showed up if it was draft.  i believe when CNM was LC he said this in a post of some kind?  it was disheartening to see on some occasions that wasn't true this season.  and honestly if we're not going to police that kind of behavior then i think we're defeating the purpose of the draft which is to be inclusive of all people.

a couple of things though, i will be the first to admit i never should have had a top 3 pick, you can even argue a first round pick.  i was slotted in my position by the other captains.  also, anybody could step up to be a captain...like any job in hockey zone it's thankless...i don't blame any experienced, skilled vet players for not wanting the job.  every time i captain when i'm done i feel this way. 

i just feel like this kind of dialogue is really unproductive.  i think we all want the best possible hockey zone experience, maybe we can start working towards that.   ;D ;D ;D
There were captains(s) during the previous draft season that also felt it was in the best interest of their team to bench players who showed to game(s) despite the public discussion about it being an unwritten rule of draft league.
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Re: Playoff picture
« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2018, 07:48:16 PM »

I do think it's important that we restart the season now that I've been able to get in contact with Linix.
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